UPDATE: Our Medal of Honor poll is now open. Is EA right or wrong? You tell us.

The inclusion of the Taliban in Medal of Honor was inevitably going to come to the attention of politicians. They can’t resist. The idea of a violent, controversial video game, some “sick filth” that needs banning is like catnip to politicos. They’ve been calling for games to be banned since pixellated prehistory (Space Invaders was once the scourge that would turn American youths to illiteracy and degeneracy).

Of course the Defence Secretary, Liam Fox, was going to profess himself “disgusted” with Medal of Honor without ever having played the game. When it comes to gaming, most politicians see an easy target and even as MPs who grew up playing the NES and the Mega Drive make it to Parliament, that’s not going to stop…

I wrote last week about why I’m not planning to buy Call of Duty: Black Ops or Medal of Honor and talked about why the idea of playing as the Taliban feels uncomfortable to me. But I never suggested it should be banned. Games are an art form like film or television and have as much right to represent topical issues.

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You’d think that Fox would have bigger issues to concern himself with. Say for instance the number of British service people killed and wounded in Afghanistan, the continued proliferation of nuclear weapons or deciding which overstretched part of the armed forces he’ll cut. But no, he thought it was wise to pass judgement on a game he hasn’t played and doesn’t understand.

Let’s dissect his comments to The Sunday Times for a moment. He said: “It is shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the Taliban against British soldiers…it’s hard to believe any citizen of our country would wish to buy such a thoroughly un-British game.” Then he urged shops “to show support for our armed forces and ban this tasteless product.”

Putting the the jingoistic overtone of his comments to one side, it’s clear that Fox doesn’t understand what EA is proposing to do with Medal of Honor. The game features American Special Forces, there aren’t any Brits featured and the Taliban are included in the multiplayer game rather than the main single player campaign.

By quickly shouting for Medal of Honor to be banned, Fox has put himself in the pantheon of clueless politicians who’ve embarrassed themselves by spouting off about the evils of video games. He follows in the footsteps of Labour Keith Vaz who got himself het up about Modern Warfare 2 this time last year and Ian Duncan Smith who, in January, accused Grand Theft Auto of “driving children to lose their childhood”.

Fox’s comments have been brushed off as his “personal view” by the Department for Culture Media and Sport which rightly points out that there is a ratings system and Medal of Honor will be an 18. But Fox won’t be the last MP to flail in the direction of a “scandalous” video game.

Attacking films, TV series or books makes you look the an authoritarian boob. But scare stories around games play well in the tabloids. They stick to the misnomer that gaming is for kids (when most Medal of Honor players will be in the mid-twenties and thirties) and are always particularly aggrieved about perceived slight to “our brave boys”.

Politicians lunge for cases like the Medal of Honor controversy because they seem simple: developers bad, game evil, must ban. And every time they come off looking foolish. If they were playing a game, they’d never get past the first level.

Or am I wrong? Is Liam Fox right to slam Medal of Honor and call for the game to be banned? Fling yourselves into the comments to fight it out.

  • bensillis

    I'm getting bored of video games being treated as the other by the mainstream media still. It sort of made sense 15 years ago, but when Modern Warfare 2 is the biggest launch of any film/movie/book/game in history, it really shows just how mainstream gaming is now. MPs (and News Of The World journalists) need to re-assess.

  • William MacDougall

    What, there are no British soldiers in the game? Typical of Americans to forget the British contribution. Should be banned for that alone!

    • bensillis

      Ha. +1

  • Steve

    Tell that to the Sister's, Brother's, Son's, Daughter's, Families of those that have died then you scum.

    • Objectively speaking

      I agree with Steve – what about the Afgan families who lost loved ones. Every game should have two sides.

    • JakeVaio

      Its a game.

    • Grovesbrian69

      say’s the kid who isn’t in military services.

  • Dr Jaymz

    How different is playing for the other side in a 'game' different from flying a German fighter in a flight simulation? Just because you can't see peoples faces doesn't change the paradigm. I am much more concerned by video nasties that I keep seeing in blockbusters. I think the general public can separate out goodies and baddies in their own minds – sometimes seeing things from a different perspective is a good thing.

  • Vulger26

    Well i have a brother in the forces and i will still play this game……………….the clue is there……….GAME! If someone can't distinguish between a game and reality then having them play games is the least of your worries! We should stop blaming games when movies can be much worse and they get away with it because movies are supposed to be visual art! As usual People who have no idea what they are talking about running on as usual!

    • bensillis

      A very mature take. Does your brother play FPS games, out of interest?

      • Vulger26

        Yeah he does!

  • Maz

    When will misguided people join the rest of us in the world-of-sensible and realise that a game, a movie, a piece of music is for entertainment only and has no relation or bearing on reality, only that which you choose to give it yourself. Every FPS game since forever has had americans fighting germans or russians and vice versa – it's fiction. Theres nothing in the argument either, that video games promote violence. Someone who kills as a result of being inspired by a peice of music, a video game or a movie chose to be inspired – it was their own conscious act.

  • Keith Portsmouth

    I think the argument “he has not even seen or played it” massively Dumb !… If a game is made about something morrally wrong like child abuse , racist killing for fun etc . would you need to see it to not dislike it content!….However like liam fox most politicians are a bunch of p****s and compete for headlines……….Just like COD 4 airport scene ,,,its soon forgotten.

    • mic

      Hi Keith,

      I think that he's commenting on an issue that he doesn't understand is a pretty important point to make. You wouldn't have to see a game about child abuse or racial killing to condemn it but you would need to be certain that's what the game was actually about in the first place.

  • Antnorwe

    I'm sick and tired of seeing the politicians launching crusades against the media for their violent content. It's a GAME. I.e. a work of fiction, not to be taken seriously. I didn't watch Star Wars and think that it was a retelling of history, and I certainly didn't watch American Psycho and want to kill a prostitute with a chainsaw. I wrote an essay examining the effects violent media has on society and my conclusion was that it has no real effect! The politicians need to stop attacking the media and start sorting out our huge deficits and social problems. Not the issues of pixels on a computer screen.

  • DaveLeicester

    I'm ex ARMY and I have been on tour and lost friends in these conflicts. But I will buy the game, morally wrong or not! I don't care really. Showing the respective of both sides is what any reporter would do anyway! Passing comments on what there own countrymen have done wrong and exploiting it for there own and the news stations profile gains, getting more money, whats the difference! Thus giving the insurgency a PR boost anyway! I think Mic wright who wrote this, taking a morale high ground with not playing this game is pathetic. Being a soldier, Its a job! Do it right, do it well and come home! that's all that matters! Most of us have played medal of honor, or call of duty. Playing both sides German, Japanese, American, Russian and British. Even though the atrocities that happened especially what the Japanese did. But do you see the uproar? or the British legion coming out in rage? NO! No one really cares, putting story's in news papers for money and Political PR! Nothing will change!

    • mic

      Hi Dave,

      Both my parents were in the military so I have some slight understanding of that perspective. The column I wrote last week about not playing the game was more about being bored with the whole FPS genre in general.

      • Daveleicester

        I feel a game depicts a story (if properly researched) the conditions and the realizations, too a degree. with the look And the MOH and COD, WW2 series gave you an more in-depth realization (too a degree) to that early period of total warfare and the way in which it was realized in a personal interactive game, than a Black and white documentary. But hopefully this gives people a better understanding of the insurgency and the carnage of it all, instead of looking at the TV. Where you see in either Ross Kemp or the news, when the bullets start to fly you only see the ground and hear the noise of the contact and the bits you are allowed to see of aftermath. We shall only see.

  • MikeyArms

    I'm a gamer, and have been since the ZX81 (look it up kids, and see how well off you are). I've grown up with gaming, and now I'm in my late thirties (with a good job, a house, and a young family of my own). While I question the over-reaction by the politicians (fair play when talking about the likes of Manhunt), I as a parent, see where they're coming from.

    I love FPS's, but wouldn't let my 12yr old daughter play CoD. The airport section of MW2, for example: even I felt uncomfortable playing it, and did my damdest to avoid civilians, but wether we like it or not, there ARE people out there who get off on that kind of stuff, and dream of doing it for real – all it takes is a trigger (pardon the pun).

    But while I've been playing games for best part of 30 years, the difference is, when I was a kid, they were nowhere near as graphic as they are now. Yes, lopping off heads in Barbarian (C64) could have had detrimental affect on me, but my parents had instilled in me a sense of right from wrong, good and bad – something that seems to be lacking these days, when a person can be murdered for asking a group of kids to keep the noise down, or ASKING them to stop vandalising his car.

    And do you honestly believe the 18-rating is going to stop kids playing it? I bet every kid with an Xbox, PS3, or PC has played CoD, MW2, and even Manhunt regardless of their age. Truth is, NO-ONE knows how these kids have been affected by games like this, until they explode. But does that mean the developers should carry on regardless? What next? FPS depicting group rape of Afgan women? Calling in an airstrike on a school or Un compound? Gunship attacks on news reporters carrying cameras?
    These games are fun. More importantly, though, they can STILL be fun even without the controversial bits. Or is it a case, as in the music industry, where talent counts for nothing, and only the most controversial sells?

    @bensilis – Sorry mate, but just because it's mainstream, doesn't make it right. Porn is becoming more mainstream every day (just look at rap videos, advertising etc. – its all about sex) but do I want my daughters to see it? No, I dont.

    • bensillis

      @Mikey Fair point indeed! I guess I meant I object more to games as being the vilification of “other” in the mainstream media rather than Medal of Honor being wrong/right in this specific instance.

      • MikeyArms

        I know what you meant Ben, and I agree. I just picked up on the fact that so many people play these games, and watch these films, so the things in them become 'normal' if seen on a day-to-day basis. And if it's 'normal', then perhaps the viewer feels it's not unacceptable behaviour to do his/herself. To be honest, I think this guy has totally picked the wrong game to comment on. I mean, it is set in a war zone after all !!

    • mic

      Good point Mikey but we would have been having a very similar argument when A Clockwork Orange first came out.

      • MikeyArms

        Yes, and it was banned, because that level of violence/sexual violence hadn't been seen before, but now, with violence / sex everywhere, it (clockwork orange) seems so much more tame, because of this, and is being 'normalised'. I just fear for my (and all other) kids growing up in this world today, where standards of decency are being eroded everyday, and there seems to be no consequences for anyone's action (thanks compensation culture – everything is someone else's fault). What I'm saying is, there are lines which shouldn't be crossed (and I don't think any of the FPS's – barring possibly Manhunt – have crossed yet), but I can see things going that way. Then heaven help us, or allah, budda, or whoever!!

        • MikeyArms

          edit – sex and violence is being 'normalised', not a clockwork orange!! lol

        • Luke Daniels

          Uh, Clockwork Orange wasn't really banned. At least not by the UK government. It was withdrawn by Kubrick after pressure from the studio, and threats to himself and his family.

          • MikeyArms

            Fair comment, but my point remains – it stepped over the line, but now looks tame, because of todays standards/morals.

          • Luke Daniels

            I think that point is valid. I was just being picky I think, sorry. I don't have teenage kids, but if I did, i wouldn't buy them the recent GTA series. It does offend me a little when I see eight year olds playing it. But equally, we should not decide to inhibit art or culture because the kids might see it. I'm a fan of adult things and non adult things. I do not want my culture limited because someone is scared that their toddler is going to get hold of it. People in society will eventually be forced to understand the computer culture.

          • MikeyArms

            I agree, with that, but I dont think its as black and white as adult and non adult things. The lines are being blurred more every day – just look at music videos. Also, what value would you put on culture (if these games are to be considered as art), when a pissed-off teenager is hacking you to bits with a meat cleaver, after playing Manhunt for 10 hours (lol)? . It's great living in a free country, but when ones persons twisted wishes (i.e. that they can do whatever they want, without any conscience or responsibility to others) can have such catastrophic meaning for someone else, where do you draw the line? (By the way, just to remind you, I love fps's, don't think they should be banned, and am just playing devils advocate here.)

  • Jpjosey

    This is just the modern day equivalent of playing Cowboys and Indians. It has nothing to do with not showing respect for the dead, or pledging allegiance – it's just a game.

    I'm a huge fan of the Total War series, so throughout the years I have taken on the role of many different historical leaders and made decisions that cost thousands of innocent lives in order to beat the game. I'm not genocidal, I'm just a gamer.

    I can understand how the Taliban references are perhaps a bit more close to home for some people than the likes of the Vikings, but ultimately it's no different. What about all the families on BOTH sides that have been destroyed by friendly fire and collateral damage at the hands of western military? Should we ban everything that's remotely based on realism? If you think yes, then save the rest of us the boredom and just shut yourself in a house with a Nintendo.

  • Samjohnston88

    I strongly disagree with millitary occupation under any circumstance, armys are for protection and soliders sign up to do exactly what these games show. They sign up knowing full well the possibility of death. I play these games, and all i learn is; dont be a solider. I don't view the games as bad or evil, I play them to shoot the hell out of my mates and proove my worth whilst thinking; “damn, theres something horribily wrong with our world”. Its a game. Jeesus!

  • Taxfodder

    When it comes to Honour and Playing Games I can see how Mr Fox might be confused….

    Mr Fox’s lengthy battle to avoid repaying overclaims for mortgage interest was thrown out by the high court judge appointed to hear challenges against the audit of Commons allowances by Sir Thomas Legg.

    Mr Fox had increased the loan on his London second home in order to pay for decorating work and to fund his main constituency home, and breached the rules by claiming for the higher interest payments.

  • Matt

    Right…But playing as an American or British soldier killing people is fine. If you gonna be an hypocrite about it, shut up.

  • Alex

    Liam fox is worse than Shipman. He prioritises weapons of annihilation way above the NHS. If only violent young men could get it out of their system by playing these games instead of slaughtering innocent people in places that pose no threat to us.

  • DEADPIXEL

    If they want to ban the game for its realism, Lets ban the real life situation to?? Like you know.. real life! where people get killed and not like games where its just pixels.. silly me i thought it is like the matrix… when you die in the virtual world, You die in the real world.

    Playing as a 'Taliban' is no different than playing as a german or a british or american troop.. Afterall doesnt all claim to have a 'Cause' 'Ideals' and 'Morale's'.

  • Stuart_emery

    The problem is they didn't grow up playing NES or Mega Drive, Politicians are usually made up of the kids who were either eating worms or learning the piano. Kids who did stuff to please or stuff to impress, the thought of having fun doesn't occur to these sociopaths. Anyone who speaks out against anything without having any understanding of the subject is by definition uneducated, quite frankly the gaming world should declare open war on politics, lets be honest they started it.

    Gamers against Politicians

    we can point out instances where politicians behaviours are damaging to society, such as allowing your hairy overweight husband to put his porn on your expense account.

    How digital Britain is being handled with such ineptitude that we are behind south korea in bandwidth.

    etc

    We are more media savvy, more fun to be around and our hand eye co-ordination is millions of times better than theirs, lets show them we aren't a soft target.

  • Mark

    Any Politicians running a game down has, never played it, following the rest of the sheep or trying to get noticed and make it look like they are fighting evil and trying to help people, thus doing their job. Even the ones that might play it will still bash it, if they gain something for doing so.

    Don't listen to them like they dont us.. after they get their vote.

    Ive been playing these games for 18 to 20 years now, Never have I had any of these evil thoughts that these games are supposed to produce. Dueing these years I have met 100's of people.. all normal people… just playing a game.

    Sure their are crazy people in this world, who would one way or another get out of control… they were already crazy. People have killed for a pair of shoes… shall we ban shoes to?

    I play First Person Shooters with a lot of ex-military guys, some who have been to Iraq, including my step father. They don't feel offended.
    Besides noone really picks a virtual “enemy” characted based on the actual “enemy” characters role in the real world. Characters are picked based on their weapon options, anything that will give you a few more points in a game.

  • Judge_d

    I vill play dis game only as mighty taliban and you infidels will all die by the power or allah! Mwahahahahah! [throws cape over shoulder and rides camel into sunset]

  • J R Hodge

    Yup here we go again, Its ok to send our boys to war on a whim or lies, to see them die die in there hundreds to watch the funeral processions every day,yeah that's ok isn't it??, if politictions had had any guts at all we would not be wageing war on any body, I dont see any of our brave polititions standing on the pedastalls claiming its a disgarace that our youth are dying every day,
    But they will quickley stand and shout over a poxy game that they have not even seen….”its only a bloody game”, and just for political point scoring as usal, they don't a give monkeys toss about anything except them selves and there own pockets and they certainley don't give S**T about the men they send to there deaths everyday. Rant over,,, Jeff Hodge Ex squaddie

  • Max

    EA made this game in remembrance of the soldiers to show respect for them and what there doing and show how terrible war is and how brave these soldiers are and its being ban? Fuck the Goverment

    • Luke Daniels

      No they are not. They make this game in order to make lots of money. EA like most major corps are not interested in making political points. That tends to affect their profits.

  • Luke Daniels

    Does this kind of censorship apply to mobster or crime movies told from the perspective of the criminal ? Does Liam Fox only want stories to be told from the perspective of the 'good guys' ?
    If I wrote a novel from the perspective of an Iraqi citizen who was unhappy about the allied military actions of five years ago, should it be banned also ? Surely one of the pillars of western democracy and major strength is that we allow both sides of the story to be told, and assume our citizens to be intelligent enough to work out their own opinion ? Obviously the issue of the taliban is a lot more sensitive than the nazi's of imperial japanese forces, but the principle is the same. These computer games are an extension of' war games' that we all played as young children. I live in a supposed free democracy, and I do not expect our government to wish to tell me what pretend games that I can play.

  • sten

    Liam Fox deserves a medal of shame.

  • Glub

    I was going to buy this game originally anyway, now it's a bonus that someone from the conservative party doesn't like it. I guess Fox not liking it means that I'm making a good choice in buying it. Games deserve the kind of protection that films, art, music etc get. They're not just for kids. Fair enough, give it an 18, but don't prevent others from playing it. Unlike Fox, I like to see both sides of a battle, and I know the difference between a game and real life issues. I wonder if the film “The Hurt Locker” would have been as sucessful if seen from the opposite viewpoint?

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